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Consciousness, Flying Saucers, and the Intergalactic Computer Network PDF Print E-mail
Written by Grant Cameron   
Sunday, 23 June 2013 03:38


“A human being is a part of the whole called by us ‘Universe,’ a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness” Albert Einstein

As many will know in the 1950 a Canadian Top Secret memo detailed what had been learned about flying saucers from the questions put to American officials. The Canadians were told flying saucers exist, that it was considered significant, and was the most highly classified subject in the United States. More importantly they were told that other things might be associated with the saucers such as “mental phenomena.”

In 1973 documentary producer Robert Emenegger told a story of a tour through the military labs at DARPA which indicated the military was involved in the race to link the mind to a machine. In one lab the scientist refused to describe what he was doing until he was told by the official conducting the tour that he could describe what was going on. The man stated that he would sit on one side of the room and a computer would sit on the other side of the room. The man would think of a word and the computer would repeat the word without a physical interface. They were at the point that the computer could pick up almost 10 words.

In 1990 during an interview with the former President of Penn State University and former Defense official Dr. Eric Walker he seemed to confirm that consciousness was associated with the saucers. In the middle of one interview he cut off the conversation asking “what do you know about ESP?’ When he didn’t get an answer he stated, “Unless you know about it, and how to use it, you would not be taken in. Only a few know about it.”

Then in 1993 there was another high level person who again seemed to hint that a consciousness machine symbiosis was the key. During a lecture to the UCLA engineering alumni Ben Rich, who headed up the key black world projects at Lockheed Skunk Works stated that we now have the technology to take ET home and that “we” have found the mistake in the equation. Two of the attendees approached Rich after the lecture to see what he had meant. They posed the question how UFO propulsion worked. Rich repeated what Dr. Walker has asked two years earlier, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”

The theory of consciousness proposed by biologist Rupert Sheldrake and others proposes that consciousness is a field outside the brain, and that the brain is nothing more than a radio/TV receiver or computer that taps into the consciousness field.

This leads to an interesting parallel connected to the origins of the internet. Like the Sheldrake consciousness field concept internet information is stored away from the computer. Like the consciousness field idea all computers are simply logging on and have access to all the information. The internet concept has never gone a step further with the idea of cloud computing where “everyone on the globe is interconnected and accessing programs and data at any site, from anywhere.” It sounds very similar to the idea of holographic universe so commonly referred to by consciousness researchers like Edgar Mitchell.

The statements made by the Canadian government, Walker, and Rich all seemed to indicate that the military may have figured out consciousness and had been able to develop UFO type technology using what they had learned.

What may be significant is that the internet was developed by the US military, supposedly as an idea where the information would not be stored in one place and therefore could not be taken out by a Soviet nuclear attack. It was developed by the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) which later became DARPA which does leading edge research for the black budget world. The original system was called the ARPANET which was used by the Department of Defense to link its projects at universities and research laboratories in the U.S.

Had the US military used what they had learned about UFOs and mental phenomena to come up with the idea of a secure information cloud that computers could link into? A look back at the key designer of the ARPANET makes this look even more possible.

The origin of the internet idea actually goes back to August 1962 and the work of Joseph Linklider who was Director of Behavioral Sciences Command & Control Research at ARPA. Already in 1962 Linklider had proposed the idea of network in which he believed everybody could use computers anywhere, get at data anywhere in the world, and the idea of cloud computing.

The name Linklider gave to his idea makes one wonder if he had an insight into the work that was being done related to UFOs and mental phenomena. That is because he called his idea “The Intergalactic Computer Network” and he addressed his colleagues as "Members and Affiliates of the Intergalactic Computer Network".

The internet we know today was originally called the Intergalactic Computer Network.

There is one more thing that links Linklider into the world of the flying saucer/mental phenomena connection that was first spelled out in the Canadian Top Secret memo. This relates reports by contactees who claim to direct knowledge of flying saucer propulsion and a paper that Linklider wrote in 1960 called “Man-Computer Symbiosis.”

In this paper Linklider proposed “the development of man-computer symbiosis by analyzing some problems of interaction between men and computing machines, calling attention to applicable principles of man-machine engineering, and pointing out a few questions to which research answers are needed. The hope is that, in not too many years, human brains and computing machines will be coupled together very tightly, and that the resulting partnership will think as no human brain has ever thought and process data in a way not approached by the information-handling machines we know today.”

Compare this human computer symbiosis idea proposed by Linklider to the many accounts that exist where contactees, who have been on the ship, talk about a symbiotic relationship between the mind of the person piloting the ship and the ship itself.

  • In February 2013 I met with a woman in Phoenix who first mentioned this saying that she had flown a number of different crafts. When I asked how she stated “I do it with my mind.”
  • From Helmut Lammer’s book “MILABS” – “The being was telepathically instructing her how to maneuver around objects while navigating.  The Gray told her that the craft could ‘sense’ objects and maneuver around them.”
  • From researcher Melinda Leslie’s case files – “"I willed the ship with thought"
  • From another Melinda Leslie case files – “"The ship is alive, you just think it"
  • From another Melinda Leslie case files – “"The ship did what I thought.  I did it with feeling, like it was alive.”
  • From a contactee named Ron is Utah who told me of his experience – “I asked him what am I supposed to do. He told me that it’s already inside of me and all I have to do is think about what I want to do and the ship will respond to my thoughts.”
  • In reply to a question to Australian researcher Mary Rodwell who has over 2000 cases of experiencers as to whether she has encounters cases of people claiming to have flown the craft she replied “yes many have said they are 'taught ' to fly craft even as children.” (the children cases I encountered involved children being taught to levitate different color balls.)
  • From Rebecca Hardcastle Wright who wrote about her contact experience in her book “Exoconscioussness: Your 21st Century Mind” - “As they escorted me out of the room, I ran up into my favorite place in the craft - the cupola. In the cupola I was privileged to navigate the craft. As I stood up at the helm, my mind drifted off into a relaxed glide, my small hands one with the craft. I navigated the craft through space. Star maps were stored in my conscious mind. I navigated easily among the star systems…I intuitively knew how to navigate as well as launch and receive crafts. The cupola was my home. My consciousness fit the craft. We were one."
  • Niara Isley was a security officer at Nellis Air Force Base. Her recollection is stunning similar to Linklider’s human computer symbiotic idea. She stated, “You would sit in a chair in this craft and it was like neural interface. You could fly it as easy as moving one of your arms and legs because it would slip right into your neurology. You could think that you wanted to go here and basically all you had to do is think it, the computer on the ship was extremely sophisticated beyond anything that we have – it would take that desire that you had generated in your thought and it would translate it into something that would create a field in donut shaped electromagnetic – I called them donuts – they served the same purpose as an electromagnetic coil. It would cause a field that would propel it off the surface of the earth and then move it in a direction that you wanted it to go.”
  • Besides people who claim to have flown the craft there are claims that the Roswell craft used symbiotic technology. Philip Corso made this claim stating that the Roswell aliens were part of the craft. Another researcher claim of this Roswell alien ship symbiosis is at
  • In the 1993 lecture referenced above Ben Rich stated, “Nearly all ‘biomorphic’ aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft — from Kelly’s SR-71 Blackbird onward to today’s drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft…”
  • Finally there is the story of David Adair who made a claim that he was shown a symbiotic flying saucer engine during a tour of Area 51. Adair was basically written off as some sort of deluded fraud, but in light of all the other material above maybe his claims should be reexamined.
Telepathy and UFO Propulsion PDF Print E-mail
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Saturday, 22 June 2013 11:02

How do aliens get here from there? Hint - all aliens are telepathic. Lockheed Skunk Works president Ben Rich disclosed that we now have the technology to take ET home. Asked how does it work he answers, "What do you know about ESP?" Hear more Saturday June 22 at 11 central.

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Last Updated on Saturday, 22 June 2013 17:00
US Navy Monitoring UFO Websites PDF Print E-mail
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Monday, 10 June 2013 20:42

Thanks to my webmaster Paul Robinson I have learned that the Presidents UFO Website has had 242 visits from NNIC and 252 visits from 754th electronic systems group (Maxwell Air Force Base-Gunter Annex, Alabama / Wright Patterson AFB)

US Navy Caught Monitoring UFO Websites

UFOs and the Melting Pictures PDF Print E-mail
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Monday, 27 May 2013 03:16

Most UFO researchers have heard of camera problems around UFO and crop circles. The general complain is that power is drained from the batteries of the camera leaving the camera unusable.

Rarely if ever is the camera ever affected. There is just light entering the lens after all, so what could possibly go wrong?

That might be the rule in the materialistic world view paradigm where everything is just a machine of one sort or another. In the world of the non-local paranormal the rules seem to be a bit different. This is especially true if you are Chris Bledsoe who has lived in a bizarre world of paranormal events since 2007.

I first became aware of Chris’s camera story when I visited him in May 2013 just outside of Fayetteville, o-SANTEEUFOBARN-570North Carolina.  It wasn't until a woman in California complained of the same problem, however, that I realized the possible importance of what had happened to Chris. On May 7 Ellen Henry, a member of the Santee Historical Society was photographing an historic building known as the Edgemoor Barn when she suddenly realized that she had taken a picture of something to the left of the barn. When she downloaded the picture to her computer she discovered what was clearly a picture of a classic flying saucer.

More important to this story - for some unknown reason Ellen's camera suddenly stopped working.

Now back to Chris Bledose. He is a man who has a rough go of it since 2007 when he and four others encountered a series of UFOs and small aliens with red eyes while fishing at the Cape Fear River on cool January evening. The events of that night changed the lives of the five men forever.

In a regression done with Chris in 2008, he recounted how he had seen three UFOs after wandering away from the other four fishermen and was abducted by one of the three objects. The encounter inside the ship with aliens standing around him showing him things. Then it had some very strange aspects which have yet to be resolved.

What has occurred since the 2007 event can only be described as possibly the most bizarre paranormal UFO series of events on record. There have been numerous sightings of UFOs and aliens, UFO circles in the yard, black helicopters, shadow people, accurate precognitions, messages, medical healings, totally unexplainable burning trees, bleeding dogs, and a camera that broke when Chris tried to photograph one of the many UFOs.

Chris described the UFO camera encounter this way;

“I had just purchased a new digital camera not a cheap one but a 300.00 camera. Chris Jr. and a friend of his Zack Bond were going out for the evening it was cool out getting dark early evening. My TV room is in view of the back door of our home Chris and Zack started to the door looked over to me to tell me bye.

The boys went out the door and the door no longer shut it and they were back in shouting, ‘dad come quick’. I knew what it was by the way they were acting. I jumped up met them out back on the patio and looking up not high at all this beautiful Golden Object as gold as what is in Fort Knox  was hovering less than a quarter mile away it was maybe 200 feet in the air. This object was so golden and brilliant there was rays shooting out all around it.

I ran inside grabbed my new camera hurried back out the door pushed the shutter button and the camera said Memory Card Error. The card still says Memory Card Error and the camera with a new memory card takes pictures but everything is melted. It had ruined my new camera.”

I asked Chris to send me some of the melted face pictures and on May 26, 2013 he did. The pictures speak for themselves.

bledsoe face 1a

Bledsoe face 2a



Last Updated on Tuesday, 09 July 2013 19:37
Grant Cameron on Project White Paper PDF Print E-mail
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Thursday, 23 May 2013 23:15

Grant Cameron will guest on Chase Kloetzke's Project White Paper show May 23, at 9:00pm Eastern. The show will deal with one of the most dramatic UFO stories of all times - the Chris Bledsoe abduction that occured on Januray 8, 2007 in North Carolina. Chris Bledsoe will be on the show telling what happened in 2007 and some of the dramatic events that have occured since

The show website will be posting some of the pictures from recent events that have not been made public until now.



Why is the Government Covering Up the Truth? PDF Print E-mail
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Sunday, 09 August 2009 01:42

The Reasons Why the Government Might Have Chosen not to Disclose the ET Reality

I think there is a general agreement within the UFO community that UFO disclosure on the part of the government would be a good idea. Many researchers are therefore somewhat distressed that the government has made few open indications of any disclosures any time soon. There is, however, a disconnect between what is viewed as the apparent best course of action, and what is happening.

In the many lectures I have given on the President and his role in the UFO cover-up I have been often asked, why the government has chosen to cover-up the ET presence from the people.

Last Updated on Monday, 06 May 2013 15:46
Paracast Interview Now Available PDF Print E-mail
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Sunday, 24 March 2013 15:39

Gene and Chris present a return visit with Grant Cameron who, with T. Scott Crain, are
authors of a thought-provoking new book, "UFOs, Area 51, and Government
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Gordon Novel, the CIA, and the Potus Briefing Bus PDF Print E-mail
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Tuesday, 12 March 2013 05:23

"I’m not a CIA agent. I’m affiliated, I work with, and we have a mutual admiration society based upon my relationship with the individuals I work with.... The CIA has multiple sides but it’s been my experience over the years that they’re basically the only good guys in the entire United States government. They’re really patriots. Most of ‘em are patriots and I’ve never known... I personally have never known them to do anything criminal, ever... So I can tell you that my experience with ‘em has been like dealing with Eagle Scouts." Gordon Novel

On October 3, 2012 UFO researcher Gordon Novel died. He had become famous in the UFO world for a number of stories. One of those stories is the story of the Potus Briefing, which was a film project effort to force a disclosure on UFOs from the President of the United States. Putus Briefing JPGConnected to this effort there was a second briefing document which was sent to President Obama. This second Putus Briefing was headed up by Dr. Steven Greer

Greer’s short history with Novel and Pandolfi is detailed by researcher Ed Komarek at

The publicly known Potus Briefing is simply a script prepared for Steven Spielberg on UFO disclosure. It is not a government document as some have been falsely posting. The whole Potus Briefing script proposal has been posted for a long time by John Hutchison and there is a link to it at

Novel was the key person behind the script. Parts of the Potus Briefing were written by Richard Dolan and Jim Marrs at Novel’s request.

Now that Novel is dead it appears he has been thrown under the Potus Briefing bus by Dr. Ronald Pandolfi, the rumored person in charge of the UFO subject at the CIA. In response to the publication of the Potus Briefing story in the book “UFOs, Area 51, and Government Informants” Pandolfi has gone public accusing Novel of creating a hoax. “Looks like something Gordon Novel created as part of a scam,” Pandolfi wrote in a recent email. “Hard to believe anyone falling for this scam.”

In death Novel can no longer defend his version of the story. Were he still alive, the reader would definitely be hearing his take on statements that have just been made.

Being that Novel is dead and can no longer speak, let me tell the small part of his story that I know. I will tell the story with the help of Dan Smith who was Pandolfi’s best man for his recent marriage, and who told me that over the years he has had at least 1,000 conversations with Pandolfi. He has been told by Pandolfi that he speaks for him. [1]The only problem with using Smith as a source is that Pandolfi has stated that Smith “makes stuff up.” In the same vein Pandolfi is now on record as saying that I like Smith make stuff up.

Therefore buyers beware. Someone in this story, whether it be Smith, Pandolfi, Novel or myself, is making stuff up. For most readers that will create a state of confusion. That, after all is probably how the government tells the UFO story. You take the truth, fictionalize it to protect the classified key elements, create confusion, and then put it out to the public.

As far as I know the first time that Gordon Novel spoke publically about the Potus Briefing – Eyes Only movie proposal was June 2, 2010 on the New Realities Show with Alan Seinfeld.

In this video Novel actually holds the script proposal up to the camera and explains clearly what it is. Novel tells Steinfeld “We (Novel and his Replicated Alien Machine (RAM) group of which he claimed Pandolfi was a member) are trying to make a movie “Potus Briefing – Eyes Only – the supreme cosmic secret – which is what we are trying to do in Hollywood. It’s a total expose of it. We want to be the disclosure – the full blown disclosure of the whole thing. So we’ve got a) the technology and b) we’ve got all the information because we know where all the bodies are buried. A lot of bodies are buried out there…I think we are going to make a movie – the most sensational movie in the history of the world. It is going to expose the whole thing. Then I think there is going to be a hue and cry and demand from people who are going to say, ‘You mean I can be rich if you release this technology. We are all rich’… we are going to create the demand for it and Congress is going to have to satisfy the demand for it. They going to say ‘All these guys are criminals. They’re covering it up.’ … Potus briefing will expose all the politics and how everything fits together.

Asked by Steinfeld how he could prove that the CIA was taking him seriously, Novel replied, “How many people do you know can go around Hollywood handing out scripts (at which he picks up the script and points to it.) with this on “Prepared for the Central Intelligence Agency and Steven Spielberg - Potus Briefing – Eyes Only – Classification Umbra Red – Supreme Cosmic Secret – US government Liaison Control Officer Dr. Ronald Pandolfi… Proposed Official Government Disclosure Program.” Isn’t that about as formal and official as it gets?”

“Why aren’t they stopping you?” asked Steinfeld.

“Because I have their authority,” replied Novel. “I have their authority to put those seals there. They all know that this is going on.”

“They’re for this disclosure?” asked Steinfeld.

“Sure,” Said Novel.

Pandolfi would of course deny that he and/or the CIA gave any authorization of help to Novel. I know this to be untrue based on three pieces of evidence

  • I have been a long time friend of Bob Emenegger who co-produced a UFO documentary for the Pentagon in the mid 1970s called “UFOs, Past, Present and Future.” During one visit to Emenegger’s house in Arkansas, he suddenly raised the fact that he had received a phone call from Ron Pandolfi. This is quite unusual, because other than discussion of his 15 minutes in the UFO spotlight in the mid 70s, Emenegger has very little interest in the UFO subject. This being the case I asked Emenegger, “Why would he be phoning you? You aren’t really involved in the subject. Are you sure it was Pandolfi?”Bob stated that it was Pandolfi and he had been phoned to be vetted for a project that Gordon Novel was involved with connected to the alien reproduction vehicle or ARV (the ARV is a main part of the Potus Briefing as well), that had been seen and drawn by aviation artist Mark McCandlish. McCandlish saw craft during a test inside a hanger at Norton AFB in 1988.According to Emenegger Novel had contacted him to some sort of PR work for the project. He had been provided with some drawing related to the craft. Emenegger was no particularly impressed with the drawing or the story, but agreed to help out.Novel stated that before he could do anything Pandolfi, who was working on the project to back-engineer the ARV would have to vet him.Emenegger reported that Pandofi did phone him and asked him some questions. Later Novel would tell Emenegger that he was “in”. Pandolfi had approved his involvement.
  • The second reason I know is that Dan Smith said so and that is where some of the details of the story some in. Smith has been friends with Pandolfi since 1991 and he often talks about what Pandolfi is saying of thinking in internet posting related to what he calls the Best Available World Hypothesis. According to Smith he had Novel were part of a government disclosure plan. “The USG (US Government) is obligated to both Gordon (Novel) and me,” wrote Smith in December 2009. “He and I are part of what Ron (Pandolfi) calls the USG outreach. Is this Operation Outreach? We don't have a need to know that. But, Ron is obliged, officially, to keep us off the streets, from begging.”[2]
  • In Smith’s February 2007 chat board Best Possible World Hypothesis he details a series of e-mails back and forth between Novel and Pandolfi that indicate that Pandolfi not only helped Novel but actually met with Spielberg on two occasions. Smith begins the posting by quoting an e-mail from Novel, “Langley's major players are indicating they or their business surrogates will support financially - the pending RAM Conference announcement. Do you object to being BCCd in the RAM broadcast lists? RP has had Dan contact Alison yesterday in L.A. to advise her RP has had surprisingly two previous meetings with Spielberg and has the offical -albeit covert - support of the "company" and his new boss as Deputy Director of ODNI (Office of the Director of National Intelligence). Adm. Mike McConnell the new Director of ODNI is also the current or former MJ- #1 Director General.”

In reply to this posting Pandolfi replied but did not deny the Spielberg meetings, “Effective sponsorship of a conference requires honesty and integrity. Please delete all the fabrications and nonsense.”[3]

In 2009 Dan Smith posted information related to the Potus Briefing Hollywood script and the related to the Potus briefing document that would be given to President Obama – referred to in the messages as Barry.

According to Smith Pandolfi was backing the Potus Briefing effort but would not sign a letter to Spielberg on behalf of the CIA/government.

Gordon’s latest effort is a POTUS Briefing film treatment. Gordon, evidently would like to use Stephen Spielberg’s proposed film as a vehicle for briefing Barry. And he is mad at Ron for refusing to sign a letter to Stephen S., to this effect.

Ron’s signature on that letter would constitute an official briefing of the President.

We don’t know where Ron is on this issue, since any communications that he may have with the WH are privileged.

What we do know is that Ron has direct access to the President. He does not need Stephen S. to serve as an intermediary.[4]

Novel had demanded the signed letter to Spielberg in a December 22, 2009 letter to Pandolfi when he got the indication Pandolfi was backing out of a previous oral and written agreement.

I am therefore now also concluding the official letter to Steven Spielberg will also not be forthcoming and therefore will constitute a further breach of our long term agreement to develop RAM GRAVONICS and PB-EO.

The letter to Mr. Spielberg in accord with our previous verbal and written understandings in this matter is now formally requested by electronic transfer to myself and Mr. Sarnoff and Ramsey Clark within the next 24hours.

Should this request for this document not be processed, forthcoming and received as heretofore agreed by you in this time period allotted, we will consider this as a full and total breach of our long term agreement and will legally proceed accordingly.

I hope you enjoy Dancing With This Wolf in 2010. See you in the funny papers.

Merry Christmas

Gordon Novel[5]

On January 12, 2010 Novel wrote Pandolfi again. His letter indicated strongly that Pandolfi was part of the Spielberg script initiative but was now backing out.

Moreover, you haven't followed through a scintilla on preparing Spielberg's invitation to meet with you after a great expenditure in time, effort and money to prepare our PB-EO film production Disclosure presentation plan to him and a retinue of famous film makers we are now actively seeking to join an unfixable and politically undefeatable alliance to make this film of the greatest story never told. We would not have done this seminal production work preparation without your encouragement and support in doing so for the past few years.[6]

Despite Pandolfi claim that the Potus Briefing was nothing more than a scam document created by Novel, the available evidence shows something much different. It shows clearly that Pandolfi, as Novel always claimed had (with the CIA) backed him on his movie project but for some reason pulled that support in 2009.

Jim Marrs who reported wrote part of the document commented that the document was not a scam by Novel as is now being claimed by Pandolfi. Speaking as someone who was involved he backed up what has appeared above in this article. It is wrote Marrs

a real document. It's just NOT official. The POTUS Briefing Paper was prepared by Gordon Novel but NOT as a scam.

It was his hope and plan that it would be presented to the president in an effort to make him aware of the anti-gravity technology that exists now and should be used to provide new transportation technology, and perhaps even free non-polluting energy. It was Gordon's way to produce this document as if it had official standing, NOT as a fraud but as a sales tool. It was supposed to appeal to Government/military types. The people listed are scientists and officials who indeed were either working with Gordon or in communication with him. Some of these supported his work while others were simply kept informed of his plans. Deep and serious consideration should be given both Gordon's research and his attempt to new technology to the world.[7]

Due to the fact that Novel is now dead, the whole story will go down with the rest of the stories in ufology which show that the government has been a part of some gradual disclosure acclimatization of the American public. This program has worked well. However, part of the plan is that like other disclosures the solid evidence remains elusive and researchers are left with just shadows indicating that the government is doing something behind the scenes.

[1] The Pandolfi Smith relationship is very important and yet confusing. For example in a January 18, 20120google chat conversation between Smith and Pandolfi there is the following exchange, Smith: Shall I tell Gary (Bekkum) that you are ready to be interviewed about Gordon? Pandolfi: and of course Washington Post reporters were good investigators in those days as always you should tell Gary that you speak for me! Smith: Gary should ask Gordon for specifics. Pandolfi: And speaking for me, tell Gary that [I] think he is a lunatic. Yet in a e-mail from Pandolfi to Bekkum two days later Pandolfi wrote, “The fact that you have verified some information that appeared on Dan's blog does not make Dan's information generally reliable nor does it substantiate his rather insane claim that he speaks for me. A deep background source should be a very reliable source. Dan is not. At a minimum, you should offer me an opportunity to clarify or comment on Dan's claims before you publish.” Smith described this discrepancy in Pandolfi as “example of the fact that Ron has to wear two hats...... One hat when communicating privately(?) with me, and another when communicating publicly about me.”

[5] ibid

[7] E-mail Jim Marrs to Victor Martinez, March 11, 2013

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