Dr. Eric Walker

Eric Walker Biography

2009-08-28T03:36:32Z

Some questions have arisen as to the background of Dr. Eric Walker. Dr. Walker was identified by military scientist Dr. Robert Sarbacher as having attended a series of briefing at WPAFB, related to a crashed flying saucers and its occupants.

Dr. Fred Darwin,executive secretary of the guided missile committee at the Research and Development Board in 1950, also stated that if there had been a briefing Walker would have been involved.

Walker confirmed that he did attend the briefings, and stated that he still had notes of the briefings in his possession. He further confirmed that he had attended a UFO crash site, along with two off duty military people, at Kecksburg, Penn on Dec.9,1965.

Dr. Walker was born in England in 1910. He received is B.S. in Engineering in 1932, his M.B.A. in 1933, and his D.Sc. in 1935 - all from Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Dr. Walker taught mathematics and electrical Engineering, for two years, and became chairman of the Dep't of Electrical Engineering at Tufts College (now Tufts University). It was here that Dr. Walker met Dr. Vannevar Bush who had also been the head of the EE Dep't. at Tufts.

Walker also taught mathematics and electrical Engineering at the University of Connecticut, where Walker initiated courses for a special War Training Program.

Once the Americans had entered World War 11, Walker joined the Underwater Sound Laboratory at Harvard University. He was promoted to Assistant Director, and then to Associate Director. Working for Dr. Vannevar Bush's Office of Scientific Research and Development. Dr. Walker found himself in charge of ordnance ( specifically weapons).

Dr. Walker was instrumental in the development of sonar. Dr. Walker had studied the industrial use of acoustics. His studies were applied to the " homing torpedo", which was developed at the Underwater Sound Lab and was successfully used against Axis submarines. For his work, Dr. Walker was awarded the Naval Ordnance Award, and also a Presidential Certificate of Merit.

In 1944, Walker was a civilian employee of the Office of Scientific Research and Development. In 1945, Walker was persuaded by the Dean of Engineering at Penn State to come there and fill a position as Department Head of the Electrical Engineering Dep't.

Interestingly enough, the ordnance section of the Harvard Underwater Sound Laboratory was transferred to Penn State at the same time. It became the Ordnance Research Laboratory, one of the four major Navy Research Laboratories. Dr. Walker was the Director.

In 1951 Dr Walker became Dean of the Dep't of Engineering and Architecture at Penn State, and directed the construction of a research reactor ( Bereazeale Reactor) on the Penn State University Park campus.

In 1956, the then president’s brother, Dr. Milton Eisenhower, named Dr. Walker as Vice president and then President of Penn State to succeed himself. Dr. Eisenhower moved to run John Hopkins.

In addition to his earned degrees., Dr Walker had honorary Doctorates from the following Universities - Temple,Lehigh, Hafstra, Lafayette, the University of Penn, The University of Rhode Island, Elizabethtown College, Jefferson Medical College, Wayne State University, the Univ. of Notre Dame, and the university of Pittsburgh.

Dr. Walker wrote two prize papers for the American Institute of Electrical Engineering, and co-invented the coliolithophone ( a device used for theacoustical detection of gallstones.)

Dr. Walkers awards include, the Navy Distiquished public Service Metal; the American Legion Distinquished Service Award; Fellow, Institute of Radio Engineers; Fellow, Royal Society of Arts (London); Fellow, American Physical Society; Fellow, American Acoustical Society; Horatio Alger Award; Tasker H. Bliss Award of the American Society of Military Engineers; the Golden Omega Award of the Electrical Insulation Industry; the Lamme Award - and an Honorary membership - from the American Society of Electrical Education; the White House Citation from President Nixon; and the Dept of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal.

Dr. Walker's professional nominations include member of the us Army's Scientific Advisory Panel, Chairman of the Navy Research Advisory Committee,Vice Chairman of the Presidents Committee for Scientists and Engineers, member ( and former Chairman) of the National Research Council's Committee on Undersea Warfare.

Dr. Walker was Executive Director ( and therefore chief administrator) of the Research and Development Board, from 1950 to 1951. This is the same time as the Sarbacher/ Smith conversation. It should be noted that Vannevar Bush was not the Director of the Research and Development Board at this time. He had resigned as director a few years earlier in a disagreement with Truman. There were a number of directors for this period. During the interlude between directors, and when the director was not available, Dr. Walker served as the acting Director.

Dr Walker was chairman of the National Science Foundation Committee for Engineering, Chairman of the Engineering College Research Foundation, President of the Engineers Joint Council. He was appointed in 1957 by President Dwight Eisenhower as General Chairman of the Conference on Technical and Distribution Research for the Benefit of Small Businesses, member of the Board of Visitorsof the United States Naval Academy, Board of Visitors to the US Military Academy, President of the Penn. Association of Colleges and Universities, member of the Advisory Committee on Higher Education, member of the Commission on Higher Education of the Middle states association of Colleges and Universities, Vice President and President of the American Association of Engineering Education, founding member and President of the American Academy of Engineering, President of the Commonwealth Industrial Research Corporation, Chairman of the National Science Board, advisor on engineering and technicalmanpower Pres. Sci. Advisory Committee.

Walker was a member of the Board of the Engineering Foundation, the Board of Trustees of the Science Service, the Board of Directors of the Mid-State Bank and Trust Company. Dr. Walker was Vice President of Science and Technology for Aluminum Co. America. He was on the Board of Directors of Girand Trust Company, and the Board of Directors of Westinghouse Brake Company. He was chairman of the Board of Directors of Melpar Corporation as well as Consultant of Research and Engineering to Koppers Corp, Borg-Warner Corporation, Bendix Aviation Co, Hughes Aircraft Corp, IBM Corp, and other firms.

Walker served as a member of the Institute for Defense Analysis from 1958 to 1981 when he became Chairman of the Board. In 1986 he became Chairman Emeritus and remained in that position until his death. The Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) is known as " the think tank to the highest echelons of the Pentagon " and "the principal advisory organization serving the office of the Secretary of Defense as a whole."

90% of the work done by IDA is TOP SECRET, the other 10% is for OFFICIAL EYES ONLY.

This organization spawned off a group from within known as DARPA, or the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. DARPA was responsible for " the scientific investigation into advanced technologies of the future." DARPA is responsible for the initial research funding for over the horizon radar, the Stealth Technology, and the Internet. ( The internet was begun as a way to make all military computers independent and yet able to communicate with each other even in the event of a nuclear war. There is no central computer to knock out)

Dr. Walker initiated the Conference on the Administration of Research in1947.

He published numerous articles in various periodicals and professional journals and co-authored a book entitled The Physical Basis of Electrical Engineering.

Dr. Walker wrote a column for the Center Daily Times of State College, Penn and in the early 1970s, directed a nationwide study for the ASEE on the " Goals of Engineering Education." In 1989 Dr. Walker published his autobiography " Now Its My Turn: Engineering My Way."

Dr. Walker maintained an office at Penn State University and went there almost every day until his death. He died at home Feb. 17, 1995.

August 30, 1987 Interview Bill Steinman with Dr. Walker

1987-08-30T06:00:00Z

Walker: Hello.

Steinman: Hello... this is William Steinman of Los Angeles, California. I am calling in reference to the meetings that you attended at WPAFB in/around 1949/50, concerning the military recovery of Flying Saucers and the bodies of occupants. Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher related this to me. You and Sarbacher were both consultants to R&D Board in 1950; and you were secretary in 1950-51.

Walker: Yes, I attended the meeting concerning that subject matter; why do you want to know about that?

Steinman: I believe it is a very important subject. After all... we are talking about the actual recovery of a flying saucer not built or constructed on this earth! And furthermore, we are talking about bodies of occupants from the craft who were analyzed ( to be) human being not of this world!

Walker: So... what's there to get all excited about? Why all the concern?

Steinman: I am not excited, just very concerned. We are talking about a subject that the U.S. government officially denies, even going to the extent of actually debunking the evidence and discrediting the witnesses. Then you sit there and say "What's there to get all excited about?" and " Why all the concern?" Dr. Vannevar Bush, Dr. D. Bronk, and others thought it was very important and were concerned enough to classify the subject ABOVE TOP SECRET, in fact the most highly classified secret in the U.S. government!! Did you ever hear of the " MJ-12 Group " and their " Project Majestic - 12 " which was classified TOP SECRET/MAJIC? I have a copy of President Elect D.D. Eisenhower's briefing papers on that project, dated November 18,1952.

Walker: Yes. I know of MJ-12. I have know of them for 40 years. I believe that you're chasing after and fighting with windmills!! (a strange term that puzzled the researchers. We therefore asked about it again in an interview years later)

Steinman: Why do you say that?

Walker: You are delving into an area that you can do absolutely nothing about. So why get involved with it or concerned about it? Why don't you just leave it alone and drop it? Forget about it!!

Steinman: I am not going to drop it. I am going all the way with this!!

Walker: Then... when you find out everything about it, what are you going to do?

Steinamn: I believe that the entire matter has to be brought to the public's attention. The people should know the truth!!

Walker: It's not worth it!! Leave it alone!!

Steinman: Can you remember any of the details pertaining to the recovery operations and subsequent analysis of the saucers and bodies?

Walker: I am sure that I have notes of those meetings at WPAFB. I would have to dig them out and read them over in order to jog my memory.

Steinman: If I write you a letter, will you please answer in as much detail as you can remember? Furthermore, could you please Xerox those notes for me and send me a copy?

Walker: I might. At least I will keep your letter, will dig out my notes, and contemplate answering. That's the best I can say for now.

Steinman: Well, Dr. Walker, I will write a letter as soon as possible. Thanks for your valuable time. Good-bye.

Walker: Good-bye.

William Steinman

January 26, 1990 Interview Henry Victorian and Dr. Eric Walker

1990-01-26T06:00:00Z

Dr. Robert Sarbacher identified Dr. Eric Walker as one of a group who attended a briefing on the military recovery of a downed flying saucer, and the bodies of the crew within. Posted here is a conversation between Dr. Armen Azadehdel, (using his English name Henry Victorian) a physicist from Nottingham England, and Dr. Eric Walker. Phone conversation January 26,90

Mrs. Walker: Hello?

Azadehdel: Hello, good morning ma'am. Is Dr. Walker in?

Mrs. Walker: No, he is not. He is out.

Azadehdel: That is fine. I am calling long distance. Do you know when he will be back?

Mrs. Walker: Well. I am sure that he is playing tennis. Oh, here he comes now. He is driving in. Just hold on. He will be here.

Dr. Walker: Hello?

Azadehdel: Dr. Walker?

Dr. Walker: Yeah.

Azadehdel: Very good morning to you. This is Dr. Victorian from Nottingham. ( Dr. Azadehdel is using the name Dr. Victorian )

Dr. Walker: Well, how are you?

Azadehdel: Not bad, thank-you, and you?

Dr. Walker: Pretty good.

Azadehdel: Doctor, I was in the Long Eaton Library ( Dr. Walker was born in England) I was talking to the librarian there, and I mentioned that there is a gentleman who was born here. Doctor, is there anything you have written that I can ask you to send us in order to leave in the library in Long Eaton? Dr. Walker I have written an autobiography, and it was published about three months ago, and I had a friend who took several copies over to England he wanted to leave in various places. It is called " Now it's my Turn."

Azadehdel: Doctor, would it be possible if I ask you to send a copy auto- graphed by you specifically for the Long Eaton Library?

Dr. Walker: Yes. I think so. Give me an address.

Azadehdel: You have my address.

Dr. Walker: Not here, no.

Azadehdel: I'll give it to you. ( I started giving my address again to him spelling the name of the street I live in. Then when I wanted to spell the name of the area that I live in, he interrupted me and said " I know where Aspley Park is." Then after giving him my address, I said " Doctor - did you get my second letter?

Dr. Walker: No I have not. See, I am not in Pennsylvania, so my mail piles up till I get back.

Azadehdel: Yes. I have replied to your first letter. I don't know the gentleman you have mentioned ( referring to Bill Steinman ) As a matter of fact, I have no contact with anybody else at all. I have been working alone on this project.

Dr. Walker: Well, the man has a network with all the people interested in this, and he tries to keep all the information in one place.

Azadehdel: To be honest with you, I'd rather not contact these people at all. I'd rather keep to myself.

Dr. Walker: Yep

Azadehdel: There are five photos available about the case I mentioned to you. ( Henry is referring to the crash of a UFO in Bolivia that he attended while searching for orchids in the late 1970s)

Dr. Walker: Yep

Azadehdel: But the entities photographed are all insect like.

Dr. Walker: Aha

Azadehdel: They were very light.

Dr. Walker: Do they have antennae?

Azadehdel: No. The skin was pale. Extremely large eyes. Three on the river side, two inside. I had a German friend with me. Do you have any interest in Botany?

Dr. Walker: No, not that I can get at.

Azadehdel: ( I explained the circumstances < whereby we had been led> to take the photographs to him)

Dr. Walker: No ears. How many eyes?

Azadehdel: Two eyes.

Dr. Walker: Big eyes?

Azadehdel: Yes. Big eyes. Extremely large eyes. Especially their forehead was very large. Their arms and hands were very thin. The same thickness of my five year old son's.

Dr. Walker: I say, I have no resources at all, no friends for these things where I am now.

Azadehdel: But, Doctor, have we captured anything at all. We must have.

Dr. Walker: SURE

Azadehdel: Anything, did we learn anything?

Dr. Walker: Yeah. I think so.

Azadehdel: Doctor would it be possible if you could help me with this?

Dr Walker: You know, you can contact Crain.

Adadedel: Who is Crain?

Dr Walker: The guy I wrote you about. The man I told you about...( He had not mentioned Crain's name in the letter to me. My guess is that he was throwing the name to see if I knew him or would give the game away. Or maybe there is a letter in the post to me in which he has mentioned Crain's name. However, I told him the truth that according to our correspondence to date I do not know Crain)

Azadehdel: in the letter there was something about a Mr. Sti...Steenman?

Dr Walker: Steinman. He and Crain work together. (He gave the name of Steinman's home town to me.)

Azadehdel: Well, I really try to keep out of them. With due respect, you are a scientist, a well known one, and you know. I am a physicist and rather keep to myself. My interest is purely scientific more than anything else. Is it determined which star system they come from?

Dr.Walker: I didn't get that.

Azadehdel: I repeated the question

Dr. Walker: Ah, I do not think so.

Azadehdel: Is it still unknown?

Dr. Walker: I think that is the picture, I am not sure.

Azadehdel: But what amazes me, Doctor, is the frequent appearance of these objects. Does this suggest that they might have a base in one of our solar systems?

Dr Walker: Well. We can make a point of these, but they did not tell us.

Azadehdel: Have we been able to make contact with them on a communication basis?

Dr Walker: We promised not to tell.

Azadehdel: I can understand it. Does it mean that the official communication has been made, and it has been promised not to tell? Orders are that outside this circle there are private ( bits of ) information they should not know ( the public)

Dr. Walker: I do not think that it is official. If three, four individuals got together on this, it can't be official.

Azadehdel: Do they constitute any threat to the national security of any country?

Dr Walker: Everyone decides this on his own.

Azadehdel: I am told by the Ministry of Defense ( in England) they don't constitute a national threat to this country.

Dr Walker: Well, maybe they know.

Azadehdel: Do you know whether there is any cooperation between them (EBEs) and us, as an advanced civilization?

Dr. Walker: I think so. There have been occasions, but I can only speak for myself.

Azadehdel: But, Doctor, would you consider them to be intruders as a scientist?

Dr Walker: I don't think so. But, if they went into England as intruders, then I think yes, you could.

Azadehdel: Is any one of them alive?

Dr Walker: I cannot answer that.

Azadehdel: Forgive me Doctor, I am not trying to be nosy. Believe me please. It is just scientific curiousity that I have had for many years. I swear.

Dr Walker: All right. If you swear that it is private. You want to talk about it. Then we will talk about it.

Azadehdel: I swear that this is something that is private, and I am eager to learn.

Dr. Walker: I'll send you copies of the book. You read it and see what you learn from it. Of course. I don't have them here. It would take a little while.

Azadehdel: Doctor. Thank-you. I am grateful for your time. Bye. Dr.

Dr. Walker: Bye.

March 8, 1990 Interview Henry Victorian and Dr. Walker

1990-03-08T06:00:00Z

Telephone conversation between Henry Azadehdel of Nottingham, England and Dr.Eric Walker, former (1956-1970) President of Penn State Univ.; ChairmanInstitute for Defense Analysis, and founder and former director of the Navy's Ordanance Research Laboratory. The interview took place March 8,1990.

Mrs Walker Hello?

Azadehdel Hello. Is Dr. Walker in, please?

Mrs. Walker Yes.

(I waited for a short while)

Dr. Walker Hello?

Azadehdel Hello. Dr. Walker. This is Henry from Nottingham.

Dr. Walker Hello. How are you?

Azadehdel I am fine thank you. Doctor, I have sent you a book earlier this week. I hope you will enjoy reading it. It is called the Open Verdict. It is about 25 scientists who worked in the Ministry of Defense, and all died in mysterious circumstances.

Dr Walker Well I have not received it yet. Have you received my book?

Azadehdel No. Doctor. I sent this book on Tuesday by Air Mail. You should receive it in ten days or so. But, Doctor, I have been reading this book called Above Top Secret. There are some documents there referring to a group known as MJ -12. Have you heard of them?

Dr Walker For a long time now. I have nothing to do with them.

Azadehdel Are the documents authentic?

Dr Walker I don't think so.

Azadehdel Doctor. Is there such a group still active?

Dr Walker How good is your mathematics?

Azadehdel As good as it could be for a doctor in physics, but why?

Dr Walker Because only a couple people are capable of handling this issue. Unless your mind ability is like Einstein's or likewise, I do not think you can achieve anything.

Azadehdel well, Doctor, for years I have been trying. But, are there government scientists?

Dr Walker Everyone mistakes this issue. I gather by that you mean whether they work for the Defense establishments of the military.

Azadehdel Yes, Doctor, that is what I meant.

Dr. Walker Well, that is where you are wrong. They are a Handful Of Elite. When you are invited into that group I would know.

Azadehdel Is it a group like Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or the Trilaterals?

Dr Walker I didn't get that

Azadehdel Is this group like the Bilderbergs, Pugwash, or the Trilaterals?

Dr Walker (Silence for a long while) Something like that.

Azadehdel Are there any members of the public in this group?

Dr Walker What do you mean?

Azadehdel I mean ordinary people who have dedicated their lives to studying UFO?

Dr Walker No.

Azadehdel Are you a member of that group?

Dr Walker I cannot answer that. How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?

Azadehdel I know to some degree about ESP and EVP. But, what has that got to do with it?

Dr Walker Unless you know about it, and how to use it, you would not be taken in. Only a few know about it.

Azadehdel Doctor, are there any military people in that group?

Dr Walker No.

Azadehdel Have we used any derivative of the learnt technology in the military?

Dr Walker I cannot answer that question. You are trying to squeeze answers out of me. If you are invited into this group I would know.

Azadehdel Are the members 10, 12, 14, are they all Americans?

Dr Walker I cannot give you the numbers, and no, not nessessarily, they are not all Americans.

Azadehdel Doctor, have we mastered the knowledge? Are we working together with the entities? Dr Walker No. We have learned so much, and no we are not working with them...only contact.

Azadehdel Have we captured any saucers.. any material from the discs to study?

Dr Walker The technology is far behind what is known in ordinary terms of physics that you take the measure and obtain measurements. You are pushing for answers aren't you?

Azadehdel Doctor, I have obtained a report called Project Magnet. Have you ever met Wilbert Smith who worked on this project in Canada?

Dr Walker No, I don't believe having met this person.

Azadehdel Is the concept on the Electromagnetic or Gravity?

Dr Walker As I said. It is far ahead of the known level of physics. A very few have knowledge of it.

Azadehdel O.K. Doctor. Let us change the subject. What do you usually read?

Dr Walker Well, at the moment, I am reading The Spy Catcher.

Azadehdel You are a little behind, Doctor, in that department, aren't you?

Dr Walker ( he laughs ) Well, I have not had the time. But it is interesting.I like books like this.

Azadehdel Well, Doctor, in that case you will enjoy my book. I would send you hereafter some books.

Dr Walker Are you familiar with the theory of Relativity? Do you know whether we have used it or not?

Azadehdel Yes, I am familiar with it. But, whether we have used it, I guess my answer would be yes and no.

Dr Walker That is correct, yes and no.

Azadehdel Doctor, I guess this subject is like chasing the whirlwind. ( Henry specifically used this word because of the curious phrase " chasing windmills " used by Walker in the Steinman interview)

Dr Walker Well, yes. But if you capture that whirlwind, what do you want to do with it?

Azadehdel It is a very good and valid question, one which...that sort of analogy from my point of view does not apply to it. I am not going to pass judgment on it, as to whether it is good or bad, and hence I should not follow it up for those reasons. I am a scientist, looking for answers and solutions. I guess like any other scientific problems which I might encounter.

Dr Walker As I said, very few who are not officials have been able to work ( with them ) and if you are invited into their circle, I would know.

Azadehdel Doctor, thank you very much for your time. We should chat again.

Dr Walker Thank you, yes, we should. Bye.

August 18, 1990 Interview Henry Victorian and Dr. Walker

1990-08-18T06:00:00Z

Extracts and Highlights of an August 18,1990 conversation between Henry Azadehdel and Dr. Eric Walker (as recorded by Azadehdel) This was Azadehdel's third major conversation with Dr. Walker

I called at 6:15 local time. His wife answered the phone. I asked to speak to Dr. Walker. He picked up the receiver after a while. He told me that he had just arrived back from his trip to England where he spent some time in East Anglia. According to his comments he had a bit of a bumpy ride back. The plane developed some problems and had to go back. He called it "my bicycle trip to England."

He told me that all the mail addressed to his home would automatically be redirected to his office. He also added that he had not been able to answer his mail for over three months, and had not been to his office ( at Penn State) for over six weeks.

I recommended to him to read Howard Blum's book " Out There." He said he would. I started my questions.

1. I asked him if he could give me the name of the group who actually presided over this subject.( UFOs )

After a long silence he replied," I do not know it by memory, and I do not have it here at home."

2. I asked if he could give it to me at a later date.

He replied, "Well, I don't know whether I can or cannot. I would have to look it up."

3. I asked him if he knew the names of the person or persons who did the autopsies.

He replied, "I have to...you know I have not been thinking about this for three months, so since I have just walked in I cannot say if I can give you or I cannot."

4. I asked if the name Dr. Strughold ran a bell.

He replied, "As I told you it might."

5. I asked whether he knew a Dr. Jeffrey Johnson.

He asked me instead what the first one's name was, which I repeated. I gave him brief information about him and added that he worked with Dr. Stapp and then repeated Dr. Jeffrey Johnson's name again.

He replied,"There were several Johnsons at that time."

6. Then I moved on by saying that having read one of Dr. Vannevar Bush's books and reflecting on what you had told me about the sixth sense and ESP, and then the Navy's tests and approach on Remote Viewing (RV). Bush seemed to have a negative view on this approach, and yet you have highly praised him in your book. I also added, "He definitely knew about the whole thing, and yet he seems to brush the whole thing aside, how would that be?"

He replied,"Well, you know, a view of what's important differs with people. Vannevar Bush had a great many important things he was trying to pursue; that and anything like this was not of great importance. You think it is important, other people don't."

7. I said, "It was of great importance to you at one time, Doctor, was it not?

He answered, "Who me? Oh...for two or three days, yes. But I had work to do. I had other things."

8. "What did the classification to do with MAJIC or MAJECTIC grade of classification?

He asked me after a long time to repeat, which I did. Then he replied: "Well you know those names came to different compartments, and just using a word like those might mean this for one period and might mean something different for some other period of time."

9. "But at what period of time on the UFO subject, was it the designated classification?

He replied: "I do not recall what the code was, how long it was before the code was changed, or what compartment it was."

10. "But the MAJECTIC TWELVE did exist, did it not?"

"I don't know."

11. Then I referred to Kadena and the documents there with MAJECTIC TWELVE that were destined to be shredded in 1979.

He laughed very loudly and said: "You know it is a ridiculous situation. What the hell difference does it make whether it is shredded or not. After all, fourty years have gone by, and nobody's blown up the world."

12. "But, the bodies that were recovered, they are kept on, they must have been?"

He replied: "How do you know there were bodies? Maybe they walked away. You assume too many things. ( Walker made almost an identical such statement seven years earlier to Steinman ) Most of the things are wrong." Then he laughed again.

13. " So, in other words there were no bodies involved?"

He replied: " I did not say that."

14. Then I refered to what he had just stated - that maybe they walked away.

He answered: "You jump to hasty conclusions. Maybe some walked away. Maybe some did not walk away. As I say. It is none of your business. Just to satisfy you curiosity...it is not going to do any damn good except to make you happy. Is it not true? Are we going to change the rules and regulations just to make you happy? If you say you are looking for the truth, you will never get it, so forget it."

15. "But, why could I not get it, Doctor?

He answered: "Why should you?"

16. " What is it about the particular truth, that I should not get it?"

He answered: "Why should we bother to spend time and money just to make you happy?"

I answered on the grounds of human respect.

He answered: "What respect?"

I answered: "I surely have taken the time and paid money to call you... to look up to you as a top scientist from whom I could learn something. Is there anything wrong with this?"

He replied: "Right now I am tired. I want to go take a shower, and have something to eat. Call me later maybe."

Then we said good-bye to each other.

ASSESSMENT according to Azadehdel

From the tone of his replies I could clearly sense that he felt cornered, and was seeking for an excuse to escape my questions. I also sensed that he had done some homework about my research, and inmy curiousity in finding out about the facts, which clearly had not made him happy. Or, it is just maybe a false assumption on my part.

May 30, 1991 Interview Henry Victorian and Dr. Walker - Topic December 9, 1965 crash at Kecksburg PA.

1991-05-30T06:00:00Z

During the investigation of the involvement of Dr. Eric Walker into the area of crashed flying saucers, we realized that Dr. Walker lived only 100 miles from the site of the Kecksburg, Penn Crash in Dec, 1965.

Dr. Walker at the time was then President of Penn. State University. Mr. Stan Gordon was contacted, the chief investigator into the Kecksburg crash. He confirmed that there was a report of someone fitting Dr. Walker's description at the crash scene.

After some discussion, it was decided that Dr. Armen Victorian would do the interview related to the Kecksburg crash with Dr Walker.

The interview was done by phone 6;15 P.M. May 30,1991

AV - Armen Victorian

EW - Eric Walker

AV: Hello?

EW: Hello. Yes.

AV: Dr. Walker?

EW: Yes.

AV: This is Dr. Victorian from England.

EW: Yes. How are you?

AV: Thanks Doctor. I am fine. How are you?

EW: Pretty good.

AV: Doctor. I guess last time I caught you in a bad moment.

EW: I guess you did.

AV: How about this time? Are you doing anything that I might have interrupted?

EW: No. It is OK.

AV: Doctor. I want to ask you about something that might not have anything to do with UFOs. Would you mind asking you? (there was a long silence and then he answered)

EW: What is that?

AV: Doctor. It is about an incident which happened in the mid 60s, on December 9,1965, in Kecksburg. It was, one could say almost in your back garden. Could you tell me anything about it?

EW: What about it?

AV: Well. What did you find out about it?

EW: You still have not given up.

AV: Well doctor. You could say that I am like a turtle. You turn me over, to get rid of me. I struggle for a while on my shell, and eventually get back on my toes.

EW: Well, we went there...

AV: With the military?

EW: Well you could say. There were two from the military - but not on duty.

AV: How about the others?

EW: He was a fellow colleague of mine.

AV: What did you find. Was it a... I know you are not going to like the word... but... was it a UFO?

EW: I cannot comment on that. I cannot tell you.

AV: Were you there for long?

EW: Why?

AV: Well, Curiosity. I thought maybe there was a purpose in the sense of, maybe preparing a report, or taking some notes.

EW: We did not prepare any reports.

AV: Well, Doctor, apart from everything, how are you now-a-days?

EW: I am fine.

AV: Thank-you for your time and help. Good-bye.

EW: BYE.

Special Prosecutor for James Oberg - Article Published March 3, 1997 after Oberg made a direct comment discounting the Walker/Kecksburg Interview

1997-03-03T06:00:00Z

Over the past number of years a lot has been written about a crash of an object at Kecksburg, Penn. on Dec.9,1965, and the movement of the recovered object to WPAFB.

In the Sept.1993 issue of Omni Mr. James Oberg "hinted" that the cause of the crash was the Soviet Cosmos-96 probe. Following my disclosure that Dr. Eric Walker, former President of Penn. State University, and former high ranking government official involved with the UFO situation from the start, had rushed to the Kecksburg crash site - Mr. Oberg again hinted that Walker presence was indicative of the crash of Cosmos-96.

However during the internet debate, related to Mr. Oberg's theory, Mr. Oberg chose to remain silent, except to send me a personal E-mail questioning why I would trust Soviet statements on Cosmos-96. Mr. Oberg chose to leave the defense of his position to TRW physicist Dr. Michael Hofmeister, who unfortunately was ill prepared to defend Mr. Oberg's theory. Dr. Hofmeister finally admitted that he had never even read Mr. Oberg Omni article outlining the theory.

James Oberg has always been described as an expert on the Soviet Space Program, and as a hard-line UFO skeptic. He has been very vocal about the accuracy of his information. "I've been waiting," James Oberg once said," for an ufonut to describe a factual error or checkable counter-example to stuff I've been publishing since about, oh, 1974 or so on UFOs, and so far no luck..."

Because of these things many chose to accept Oberg Cosmos-96 theory without checking. Because of Mr. Oberg outspoken confidence in his facts concerning UFOs, it seemed strange that Mr. Oberg chose to stay out of the defense of his pet theory relating to the Kecksburg crash, leaving it for others not as smart as himself to defend.

In preparation for a paper on the Kecksburg crash, I came across a number of new pieces of information. Among those was an item that might explain why Mr. Oberg has been so silent about his Cosmos-96 theory so proudly displayed to the world in 1993. The quote is from David Templeton's special investigation into the Kecksburg crash called "The Uninvited" and written up in the Pittsburgh Press newspaper June 19, 1991. The quote speaks for itself;

"Oberg reviewed orbital coordinates for the probe that the Pittsburgh Press obtained from the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. Although Cosmos-96's orbit crossed the Northeastern United States, he said the tracking coordinates prove that it could not have come down in Kecksburg at 4:46 p.m. - the hour the fireball was seen there... 'Cosmos-96 is not guilty,' Oberg concluded."

Special Prosecutor for James Oberg Part 2 - Published March 9, 1997

1997-03-09T06:00:00Z

I've been waiting for any ufonut to describe a factual error or checkable counter-example to stuff I've been publishing since about, oh, 1974 or so on UFOs, and so far no luck, nothing has shown up
here on the net at least. Have I missed something, or are THEY missing something -- between the ears, I mean.

-- James Oberg

In James Oberg's Sept 1993 Omni article, Oberg hinted that Kosmos-96 may have been the cause of the Dec.9,1965 crash at Kecksburg Penn. and UFO buffs may have been " unwitting pawns in the deception."

As to why the US government would cover up the recovery of Kosmos-96, Mr. Oberg wrote " In the 60s, US military intelligence agencies interested in enemy technology were eagerly collecting all the Soviet Missile and Space debris they could find. International law required that debris be returned to the country of origin. But hardware from Kosmos-96, with its special missile-warhead shielding, would have been too valuable to give back."

On Oct.18,1996, Mr. Oberg responded to an interview that I posted with Dr. Eric Walker, former Chairman of the Institute for Defense Analysis, and at the time President of Penn State University, Dr. Walker had in earlier interviews confirmed the existence of a special group known as MJ-12, to oversee all UFO activities, and had further confirmed attending a set of briefing held at WPAFB dealing with a crashed flying saucer, and its occupants. In the interview related to Kecksburg, Dr. Walker admitted that he and two military people had been at the Kecksburg crash site.

In James Oberg's response to the Walker/Kecksburg interview, Oberg continued his assertion concerning Kosmos-96, and the reason for the cover-up. " Just what you'd expect," wrote Oberg," if they'd picked up the Kosmos-96 capsule and didn't want the Russians to know, even now, that we violated a treaty to keep it squirreled away..."

Sounds good, until one realizes the fact that there was no treaty. Even worse we one considers that James Oberg KNEW THIS when he wrote both statements. Why then did he take time from his valuable schedule to write it?

The treaty that James Oberg is referring to is the Outer Space Treaty, passed unanimously by the United Nations in Dec.66, and after passage by the US Congress came into force Oct.10,1967, almost two full years after the crash at Kecksburg. The applicable part of the treaty is contained in article VIII which reads in part;

"ownership of objects launched into outer space, including objects landed or constructed on a celestial body, and of their component parts, is not affected by their presence in outer space or on a celestial body or by their return to Earth. Such objects or component parts found beyond the limits of the State Party to the Treaty on whose registry they are carried shall be returned to that State, which shall, upon request, furnish identifying data prior to their return."

The details were further expanded the next year in the passage of the "Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts, the return of Astronauts, and the return of Objects launched into Outer Space" which was signed in Washington, London, and Moscow April 22,1968, and entered into force following congressional approval on Dec.3,1968, almost three years following the Kecksburg crash.

Now, how do we know that James Oberg knew this fact before he made his statements in 1993, and 1996 about an international Treaty being the reason for the cover-up of the Kosmos-96 recovery? We go back to his statements to reporter David Templeton at the Pittsburgh Press in 1991.

Oberg added, "wrote Templeton in his Kecksburg investigative article entitled "The Uninvited," that because the United States and the Soviets had an oral agreement to return the other side's spacecraft debris when it landed in their territory, secrecy was paramount if one power opted to keep the other's recovered debris. Oberg says the US conducted secret recovery missions throughout the world to collect Soviet Space debris until 1967 when a treaty to return such debris became effective."

Therefore there was no reason to cover up a recovery of Kosmos-96 in 1965 beyond some "nudge,nudge,wink,wink" agreement as claimed by Oberg. There never was any international law, or Treaty, as claimed by Oberg in 93,and 96.

As to whether there was ever an oral agreement made at the high of the cold war with the missile crisis ongoing is doubtful, especially with the word of it coming from Oberg. Oberg seems to have trouble telling the truth on this particular issue such as his statement that the US conducted secret recoveries until 1967 when the treaty came into effect. The US conducted secret recoveries after the treaty, and James Oberg KNOWS THAT TOO. That I will discuss at a later time.

Why would Oberg lie claiming twice there was a treaty when he knew there wasn't?? Only James Oberg can answer that question.